When every voice counts

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On Monday, I wrote a column for Quick (now published) satirizing our idiocy in the comments section of blogs and news articles. The premise was that even in the face of world destruction, we will still snipe, snark, and snarl pettily at each other because, basically, we suck. It was fortuitous timing for the column because D Magazine’s Frontburner on Tuesday became the first to pull the plug on the “everybody gets to be their own micro-columnist” movement.

Some time ago,
the media became obsessed with “empowering” the viewer, reader, listener, and stroking their ego with their “you are the star” attitude. “We want to hear what you think, America. Send us an email or post on our forum.” This pandering to the ego was a great marketing ploy. “User generated content“ seemed like a win-win at the time. Users would do the erstwhile work of the content producers for free and then traffic your site to see themselves on stage. But there was one major problem with the model. People suck when they have nothing to lose. That is the thing that makes Youtube great and comments threads intolerable.

The Dallas Morning News comments section is the worst example of what happens when everyone is allowed to publish their mental diarrhea. If you read the comments after an article or blog post, you know what I am talking about. It devolves so quickly you wish your ancestors had remained monkeys- at least the shit-slinging back then was more honest. You walk away asking “wow, are people really this mean and petty?” Yes, they are. I think even good people have been surprised how quickly they can get sucked into the vortex of fucktardom.

People on the internet can’t govern themselves. There is a reason why lottery winners and child stars start searching for rock bottom the moment they hit the top- humans aren’t built for sudden change, and the frustrated ego can’t handle the sudden power of having an audience.

It is very intoxicating at first because everyone can be Dorothy Parker in 140 characters or less. You can be witty without the need to sustain it. Negativity is the best way to insulate the ego, so you criticize everything, and pretty soon, everyone, in every forum, sounds like he’s trying out for Gawker. It is good for web traffic because each commenter checks back over and over to see if anyone has responded to the cool pile he left in the toilet, but it is bad for the product. Magazines should get back to being magazines, and newspapers shouldn’t feel responsible to host a writers karaoke after every story.

It is not just the commenters’ fault. Editors of newsblogs and forums realized early on commenters weren’t that interested in Serious Civic Discussion as much as they were interested in becoming warriors in the World of Wordcraft, but the Editors had web traffic to keep up, and their dirty little secret was that they needed to keep eyeballs coming back to the wreck for one more gander at the carnage, so websites merely began hosting verbal cockfighting. Plus, editors are people too and they got a thrill in the quantity of posts regardless of their quality. Writers and editors are not used to the instant gratification that, say, talk radio enjoys, so they became intoxicated with the instant gratification of immediate feedback. In Frontburner’s case, the primary failure is probably with the editors. They should have edited the people who couldn’t edit themselves, because that is what editors do. You don’t spend years building a brand only to let anybody with a IP address and a grin hijack your platform.

When it comes to publishing, the level of stupidity goes up when the barrier to entry goes down. Kudos to Frontburner for breaking the cycle and having the guts to risk initial traffic loss in order to improve the product in the long run.

CONFESSION
I am sure there are many who will dismiss my take with “well, look who it’s coming from.” I confess, I work on talk radio, which is an admittedly vulgar medium, and I work at one of the most controversial stations in the market. We throw around all kinds of snark, judgements, and bad taste, but we do have the accountability of being PAID to do it. If our bosses don’t like it, they have the right and responsibility to turn our comments off. In my case, it would probably be a moral relief.

131 thoughts on “When every voice counts

  1. El Choncho says:

    Your point really lends itself to the Idiocracy idea. Because when it comes to blog posts, the intellectuals may visit at first and offer a comment, but soon are turned off or given extreme tired head by the stupidity that soons begins to be thrown around. So as the higher thinkers fade out, all that’s left is the Clevons of the world. So in the long run, really what they are doing is driving away the people who should be the target audience.

    • Jim says:

      I agree with El Choncho. Sorry the reply is late but I have been business traveling. I am one of the people he mentions in his last sentence. USA Today online cured me of posting comments. I think they are the most vile people on the web and it is amazing how many things in this world are Bush’s or Obama’s fault. I tried to just post comments related to the story and never got replies. People just kept on spouting vile words and blaming the previously mentioned. This is the first comment I have posted in months.

  2. Craig says:

    Well said, Gordo. And as an advocate of the “no win” situation, that’s what all sites are in with regard to this situation:

    1. No moderation/editing — you get the comments section of Youtube or any daily newspaper. Hooting and hollering like the baboon enclosure at feeding time, but with more racism.

    2. Moderated comments — only the decent stuff gets through, but then allegations of censorship or favoritism start, not to mention the increased workload needed to keep the joint clean.

    3. No comments — site traffic suffers, as you mention, but also the popularity of most sites can be tied to the sense of community they create. No interaction among users (or between users and site owners) prevents community.

    Sorry for the long comment, but wanted to add to your good points.

    Gone.

  3. Uh Paul in uh whoops says:

    eyes just glazed over and got tired head

  4. snoopaloop says:

    blogging is kick ass!!!!!!!!!! its what the body wants?

  5. john not juan from grand praire says:

    i think your wrong. you just cant handle it when someone else has a spotlight. sorry man thats what i think.

    • Gordon Keith says:

      There are plenty of news writers and blog editors that have the spotlight and rightly so. It is their show. What I have a problem with is seeing their show hijacked.

      • HotdogNeck says:

        Can I reply to your reply? I think my blog’o meter just got harddddddddddd.

      • JOHN NOT JUAN FROM GRAND PRAIRIE says:

        SEE, THATS THE PROBLUM. YOU SEE IT AS HIJACKING. IF YOU OPEN A FORUM FOR COMMENTS, THATS WHAT YOU GET. SOME GOOD SOME BAD. IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE “HIJACKED” DONT OFFER. OR OFFER AND DONT ANSWER THE PHONE LIKE THE HARDLINE.

      • gorDONEKIth PUNCH says:

        Why is JOHN yelling? He’s like a foot from you.

  6. Craig says:

    I sincerely hope John Not Juan was making an attempt at ironic humor, there.

  7. Kick Ass Commentor says:

    Well said Gordo. Oh, and you suck ass. I love me some me.

    Bring on flat tax! Obama sucks!

    I’m totally kidding by the way

  8. Lynndie Englands Chemical Light Stick says:

    You all suck and I hate you!

  9. eRacer X says:

    I think the problem here is that people now say anything they want on blogs, emails, texts and other electronic medium without having to deal with an immediate reponse from any human, live and in person; giving way to being desensitized.

    If I said something I shouldn’t have when I was younger, and I got “the look” from my dad….that was enough for me; I didn’t say it again. That picture was worth a thousand words.

    Nowadays, people can say anything they want without the repercussion of someone firing off a verbal retort to their face or seeing the look of disgust or horror or hurt on someone’s face that you might have violently offended.

    You’re right, Gordon, we suck! But until we start putting the reigns on ourselves and start taking some personal responibility for what we put out there on the impersonal Interweb, it will never change. The demise of society will be traced back to these glory days we live in now.

  10. Bob Bland says:

    That’s definitely food for thought, Gordo. Glad I got all this out of my system back in the hardliners.com days…haha.

    Sideshow Bob

  11. mexicanjunior says:

    Worst blog ever…

    just kidding.

  12. Tony says:

    So after all that you open the floor to comments? So you want us to comment on your comment about comments?

  13. b_money says:

    First!

  14. PetShopDad says:

    Seems to me that you are criticizing the same people that want you to be vulgar and nasty on your radio show/tv show/column/etc…so that you can get paid for it.

  15. A P1 named Brad says:

    I would just like to say that I think all of the comments on this post have been top notch. Gordon, kudos to you for your well written article. I love you man I really do, but can we please move on from the Idiocracy phase? Since the start of civilization we have been on a downward spiral fueled by a loss of perspective and our never ending desire to be “here,” but not be “here.” Survival has become too easy and we can’t rid ourselves of the need to trick things up. Consumerism now reigns supreme and an over commercialized state is what we live in, so naturally everything has to be kickass. Idiocracy isn’t on the horizon, it started long ago when were beasts just wanting to get knee deep in something warm and wet.

    Seriously though, these editors you speak of could have at least spell checked some of these clowns.

    Your = ownership + you
    You’re = you are

    Why is that still so hard for people?

    Sorry, 1st time commenter

  16. Taxirobert says:

    Gordo,
    There is a reason that there are still many of us day1 p1′s still listen faithfully to the AM shows. Anyone that does not get this are the ones I am truley afraid of. You have hit it on the head again my brother.
    Taxirobert

  17. Sam says:

    Gordo I agree 100%. What are your thoughts on the media now basically being mouthpieces for the political parties their ownership supports (examples: CNN, MSNBC, NBC = Democratic Agenda, FOX = Republican Agenda). I miss the days when journalists were able to report the news in an unbiased way and websites like CNN were considered reliable. I might as well go to the DNC homepage to get my news now. I’ll check back in in 5 minutes to see if anyone agree with me.

    • I hate George Bush and Barack Obama and Dick Cheney and John Bolton and Condi Rice and Rahm Emmanuel and Nancy Pelosi and Karl Rove and Bill O’Reilly and Keith Olberman and Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck and Harry Reid and Sarah Palin and Joe Biden and, well, you get the picture.

      Want unbiased media? Try infowars.com

      Peace

  18. HotdogNeck says:

    It isn’t just ‘written’ media that suffers from no brakes on the derailed train…

    On xbox live, with a vision camera, girls quickly drop the tops and send photos, dudes play Uno with their snakes out of the cage… All because of the anonymity of the situation.

    I’m 6’5″ weigh 220, and can guarantee 99% of the moronic ‘I will come over to your house and stomp your ass into the ground and then have sex with your wife’ comments would never happen if I were in the room with them. The other 1% are either UFC champs or retarded. Either way I probably wouldn’t want to get involved…

    The point is, our entire generation has been bombarded with this, the kids behind us will have it ingrained. Even scarier!

    • HotdogNeck says:

      And I forgot to mention the whole Mark Cuban thing. When all those people ‘anonymously’ emailed him all those racist comments after Josh Howard was talking about pot, or whatever that was…

      I bet they all think twice now before clicking submit, or send, or publish, or whatever online anymore. Once he published those IP addresses and email addresses, it turned a lot of those comments into actual reality for many people. Greatness!!!!

  19. middletree says:

    Gordo, you’re right. No brainer.

    The problem is, it ain’t going away. D Mag may have shut down the ability to post comments on one portion of their website, but the impact will be immeasurably small. Most sites will allow it as long as the masses feel they are entitled to it.

    And a quick shout out to the genius behind the note from “john not juan from grand praire”. Your post exemplifies many of the fun symptoms of the bad comment. The use of “your” instead of “you’re”. The refusal to capitalize anything. The misspelling of your own town’s name. Greatness! I give your post a thumbs-up. Or I rate it 3 stars. Whatever.

  20. ronda says:

    could you all stop talking and post pictures of your genitals?

  21. bornborn says:

    gordo your turning into a parody of yourself , you speak all this and yet when a guy does everything he can to ask you (nasty) to leave him alone he has to resort to violence, and he is the douche. I dont know what that has to do woth your column but it seems somewhat relevent

    This is your brand of comedy, why are you hating on it, I ask my self all the time what would gordo say, and then proceed to post it to what ever website I am on at the time.

  22. Human says:

    Too many words. We need more mouth watering melons. :)

  23. Jay says:

    Gordo said S and F.

  24. gorDONEKIth PUNCH says:

    The phenomenon you’re talking about was summarized beautifully back in 2004 by a Penny Arcade strip: http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2004/04/02/penny_arcades_greater_internet_fuckwad_theory/

  25. [...] so, just wanted to point you to Gordon Keith’s take on our no-comments policy (for now). And notice what happened in HIS comments section. Some good [...]

    • HotdogNeck says:

      Clicking that link, and then the link that linked article links to, is like starting to follow the instructions on shampoo bottles that say ‘wash, rinse, repeat’ – I can’t stop!!!!!!

  26. Mike says:

    1. I don’t know how much income Frontburner hits bring the D Empire, but without comments it becomes all the more easier just to use an RSS reader and never visit the actual site. Instead of going to FB 3-5x day and clicking on multiple comment threads, I’ll read the posts but never visit.

    2. Regarding Gordon and Ticket vulgarity – remember when Dave Chappelle did some skit in blackface and noticed a white crew member laughing too hard? I think all the Ticket guys (now the G is gone) are good guys with healthy attitudes about women, race, etc. But what about your audience?

    3. BTW, Gordon, you’ve probably heard of British comedian/writer Russell Brand. He was in Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Recently had a Com Central special that sucked – he’s no good at stand-up. But he’s the only guy I’ve ever heard whose comedic wit works faster than yours. Used to have a great BBC radio show but lost it for very entertaining reasons.

  27. chris chris says:

    I will not be ignored! (hopefully!)

  28. Spanky says:

    “In my case, it would probably be a moral relief.” – If you feel that way I suspect you could take the probably out of that sentence. If you feel like you need to take a shower after your show everyday, couldn’t you find something more rewarding for yourself? Certainly you have the talent to do whatever it is you wish and make a comfortable living. I would hate to see you leave as it’s just not the same when Junior insinuates George wants to be forced into gayness while drinking breastmilk, but we would get by. I am sure the public forum your current job grants you is a powerful aphrodisiac, but anonymity isn’t that bad…you might even like it. And we all know how understanding the guys at the Ticket are (especially afternoon drive) when someone -ahem- “decides” to leave the station.

    Oh, and since we are 20 something posts in and no one has worked in a Himmler reference, I’d say this is one well-behaved group of people.

  29. AJ says:

    Couldn’t agree more. I frequent Fark.com and it’s to the point that I can’t read the comments sections due to all the hate. Just terrible.

  30. massiveness says:

    I think down syndrome men are cute

  31. Jody says:

    Gordo, you’ve outdone yourself. Brilliant. Bravo.

  32. Fartinmyface says:

    More naked boobs

  33. matmoeb says:

    Gordo,
    This is the best thing I have seen written on the subject and it is spot on.
    The DMN comments section is a total wasteland.

    I admire you greatly for all the laughs you have given me over the years. I fear the day that someone money-whips you into your own show/.tv website.

    I can tell you are truly passionate about this subject matter and the integrity of journalism.
    Please don’t ever leave The Ticket.
    Moe B
    Flower Mound

    Enough fagginess, vaginal slice born born.

  34. Babyarm says:

    I must disagree. I think frontburner will re-think when activity comes to a halt. In a medium dropping like flies, I wouldn’t screw with it.
    I’m gonna pass out.

  35. Miss Prynt says:

    Can I just say that “mental diarrhea” = awesomely awesomeness. You just changed my life.

  36. Iluv2hate says:

    I love leaving hateful comments on DMN and elsewhere. The problem is that everyone else has the same right. I’m a very busy, well-educated professional and I don’t have time to write reasoned position statements about current events. I do have time to tell an idiot that he or she sucks ass and should die of ass cancer (apologies to Farah Fawcett). But my insightful comments are diluted by the dozens of postings by idiots whose opinions just piss me off more. So, on balance, I guess the whole comment thing is counterproductive.

  37. AK says:

    Gordon –

    Great post, very well thought out. And I agree on most of your points.

    The biggest point that I disagree with, though, is whether or not FrontBurner had reached the point of being a wasteland of useless comments.

    I think that comment usefuless is inversely proportional to the size of the community that follows the blog. The Dallas Morning News has a larger audience than Frontburner, and its comments are a complete and total wasteland.

    I feel that Frontburner, however, still had wonderful discussions in the comments. That’s not a universal rule; there were certainly threads wherein bafoonery was the order of the day and the comments useless. But there were also many threads that had mostly well thought out discussion. (Even those threads might have a smattering of morons… but they’re easily ignored.)

    Of course, I say that knowing that Frontburner was moderated. How much work went into removing moronic comments before I saw them is a variable I’m not familiar with; if that amount of work is extraordinarily high, then the dollars and cents of staff time vs. advertising revenue from those comment refreshers Gordon refers to might be skewed. (But, if it is dollars and cents… then it might be worth hiring an underpaid schmoe/intern to moderate, rather than the likely very well paid editorial staff.)

    Either way, I’m sad to see comments go on Frontburner — I enjoyed them. But I also respect D Magazine for stepping up and doing what they felt was right for their publication, masses be damned.

    I’ll even sign my name, who needs anonymity?
    Andrew Kaufmann

  38. stormin says:

    I agree wholeheartedly. Having anyone who wants to comment is so gosh darned messy. Why can’t they just sit back and consume what is served them? Life must be neat and clean and free of all this unpleasantness. It’s not like anyone can just ignore the comments that bring about the vapors for these High Priests who bring wisdom to the great unwashed. People should be thankful that these wise ones allow the viewing of their sacred writings.

    • Gordon Keith says:

      @ stormin

      You don’t have to sit back and take what is served to you- you are allowed to get your own blog and sound off all you want to. And it is hard to ignore the idiotic comments when the shouting is so obnoxious it is drowning out the good comments on the blog. Many comment leavers are like those morons you see jumping up and down in a television live shot. They are probably decent people in regular life, but once the camera goes on, they have to jump around like monkeys on meth with big, fixed, wide-eyed grins while the reporter is telling us the ages of the kids who died in the fire. We just can’t handle the sudden opportunity to throw a wrench in the back of somebody else’s robot.

      • Boo Boo Riviera says:

        “We just can’t handle the sudden opportunity to throw a wrench in the back of somebody else’s robot.”

        Do you think the commenters are out to get you, Gordon? Do you really view commenters as people who are out to spoil your game?

      • Gordon Keith says:

        @Boo Boo I don’t think commenters are out to get me. The commenters on here, especially you, sexually arouse me. And I think many commenters don’t believe half the things they say, they just say them because it is fun to be loud.

  39. Idiocracy says:

    Too many words in this post…make it kick ass with some fire!

    The main problem is you cannot read a news article in this country that just provides the news. Every political story is political. Journalists are no longer journalists. This is why the newspaper business is dead.

  40. Rawlins Gilliland says:

    Gordon, your essay above is the single best critique/summation of the state of blog combox / internet interaction ‘free love and costly hate’ affairs I have read anywhere. The sad thing is…there is so much light above the heat in your post, it will be disemboweled when random readers seize upon some three-word clause or phrase and run with that circle-jerk ball to oblivion. Telling you what you MEANT rather than what your words meant to THEM.

    GK~~It’s 5 o’clock somewhere so rest assured I am hoisting a brew to you. I was simply amazed at how you totally laid it out…how …in a land far away, where the tiresome bore connotes ‘snark’ with anonymous cyber quasi hurling, anyone who actually thinks instead or merely reacts looks, in the end of any thread’s posts, like the protagonist in last scene in ‘Carrie’.

  41. Bryan says:

    Thank you. This is very well said. After I read news articles, I try not to read the comments that follow, but I’m drawn to them. I know they’re just going to piss me off, I KNOW IT, but I convince myself that there might be some quality discourse in there, so I read on and get pissed off every time. Grrr. But even I’m not sure if I am trying to be ironic by leaving my comments in this section.

  42. Jarid says:

    The DMN is starting to moderate their comments section as well. They’ve already started on the Cowboys blog and plan to do it throughout the site soon.

    While I like to read what other people have to say on a particular story/blog/whatever, like with all things, it needs to be moderated. You can’t have this Wild West, no rules, everything is ok policy because society can’t handle policing themselves on the internet. Like you said, it’s easy to hide behind a computer screen and it’s easy to type the F word or the N word because they know they can and will get away with it. The are two solutions, moderate the comments, or ban them altogether.

  43. Eric B says:

    To be fair, is it at all possible that your perspective is that of the “old-timer” when things are changing fast? Note, I’m not saying you are incorrect, but… this sounds like the “children aren’t as polite as they used to be” argument that you can find quotes for from Romans to the present. EVERY generation thinks the next is lazier and ruder.

    In defense of blogs… I am not a professional writer, but have found it empowering to comment real-time with others on my views. Yea, I disappear when commentary deteriorates, but at least I have a medium now. And at the very least, I have opportunities to analyze my own perspectives/ attitudes/ paradigms as I attempt to clearly communicate them – I learn.

    Point is, what’s good for some is bad for others.

    • Gordon Keith says:

      @ Eric B. I don’t think it is an “old timer” thing. I am talking about my generation. We act like crap because we can, not because we are hyper-current.

      And I see what you are saying about the ability to comment real-time with others in order to refine your own thinking. There is value in that for sure. But at some point you have to put it ALL on the scales and see which side hits dirt. Thanks for commenting (uncomfortable irony).

  44. RayRay says:

    So how will your opinion on this change when FrontBurner brings back comments, as they’ve promised to do?

    Meanwhile: http://lodowick.wordpress.com/

    • Gordon Keith says:

      @Rayray I will have to see how they handle the implementation of the new comments. If they are edited well, and tend to keep the conversation moving forward in interesting ways, then I’m for it. But in my opinion, the Wild West Days of commenting are played out. I know Tim (Rogers), and he has changed somewhat in this matter. I used to get the impression he thought I was a square for thinking the comment free-for-all was antithetical to good conversation, but once his shiny new toy had been played with for a few months, and he saw the entropy that overtakes even the best of us online, he started grumbling. I know Tim is conflicted about this apparently Wickian decision. There is still the impish part of Tim that celebrates the car fire, but there is also the more adult, bill paying Tim, who hates it when it’s his car that’s burning.

  45. lewp says:

    I have a blog and I think comments are great, either way. I also think some blogs’ comments like deadspin.com and their comments are feeding each other. S0metimes the comments make that blog entry. Pure entertainment.
    Let’s face it, comments make the blog. I wish my blog had more commenters instead of just people consuming my blog and leaving nothing behind.

  46. Ian K in Dallas says:

    “User generated content” is synonymous with the rise of reality TV. It’s cheaper to base content on regular joes than pay columnists or actors. But I turn on the TV to see beautiful people who can act who are better than me – that’s why they’re on TV. I don’t want to see idiots like me. I hope TV networks realize the idiocracy of reality TV and go the D Magazine route.

  47. John McCutcheon says:

    Everyone is full of it…. I’ve listened to the Ticket since ’99 and have heard an infinite amount of “analysis” and “predictions” that have turned out to be totally wrong…while many of your points concerning commenters’ accountability are accurate, it’s all about entertainment. Gordon, George and Craig…as long as you make us laugh, we don’t care if you are 10-82. Just don’t be mad when others want to try and get in the clubhouse.

  48. Spamboy says:

    One of the larger reasons FB might have turned off comments was not so much a concern what people were saying, but the hassle of having to monitor for any content that could make FB or its parent D Magazine look bad. FB had gotten popular enough that monitoring comments — not just on the daily post, but older posts whose comment sections were never closed — was likely a more-than-side-job effort on at least one person’s plate. In other words, reduce the need to monitor content, and that individual might be able to get back to their “day job”.

    Some blogs handle public commentary in a democratic way: via voting. Fellow partipants vote positive/negative on the current comments, and those thought highly enough up float to the top like cream.

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  50. Old fart says:

    I have found that the commentariat for a given blog take their cues from their fearless leader(s). When you get serious here, so do we, otherwise it’s babyarms and VSBB to the max.

    If Tim’s “toy” was broken by mean snarky comments, then there is a certain karmic retribution at work. Tim had gotten especially pointed and mean in posts, before I stopped visiting FB late last year.

    As silly as you can be, Gordon, you are consistently civil and thoughtful and I appreciate that.

  51. Head Troll says:

    ROFL-ICOPTER!! g0rd0 u n00b…comentz rulez! c3nsors sux! u r kno smrter than n e 1 else…y shud u git 2 juge ppls epinions??1? FAIL!!!11!!!1!

    (God, I’m awesome.)

  52. matma says:

    People do need a place to be witty and to add their own flair to an article/news story. The answer to those who abuse the privilege is moderation. Frontburner can turn off comments and their click-thru will suffer for it, but it’s the lazy way out.

    Step 1: Make everybody register to comment.

    Step 2: Give the idiots a sandbox to play in (area away from stories for general jack-assery).

    Step 3: Only allow comments on posts and news stories for 48 hours after posting (# of hours pulled from ass)

    Step 4: Pay attention to whats happening! If somebody is jacking with your content warn them first then banish them to the sandbox for a couple of days.

    Step 5: Utilize your devotees. Assign trustworthy moderators to do the dirty work for you.

  53. F-tard says:

    Gordon, was yesterday, Apr. 23, 2009 the first use of the word “metadata” on The Musers? It made me feel all tingly inside.

  54. Human, Internets says:

    I was going to comment that I’m choosing not to comment on commenting about commenting, but I thought it would be better not to do so.

  55. Dane says:

    FB doesn’t need registration, just someone to give the flotsam a look before it gets posted.

    Then again, maybe Wick just wants a more civilized audience reflected on the blogs, but D isn’t exactly the New Yorker either.

  56. baudkarma says:

    There’s another option that seems to work well for the site doing it. Slashdot has allowed user moderation of comments for several years now, and it seems to work extremely well. I can read a controversial study and then easily find the top rated comments… the insightful, thoughtful stuff that you find so rarely in a normal comments section. Or if I’m feeling brave, I can change my comment threshold and read all the dreck and off-topic and drunken comments as well.

  57. Boo Boo Riviera says:

    So, I don’t understand. Are you peeved at your faithful for not being creative and witty enough, just the sheer volume of comments to moderate, worn out by the overly opinionated, or just all of it?

    I really like the commenters here. The commenters are a reflection of the blogger.

    Agreed Ronda. ;)

    • Craig says:

      Although the comments to this site are “held for moderation,” I don’t think Gordon does much in the way of filtering of comments. If he does, then it hurts my medulla to contemplate what’s not good enough to be posted here…

    • Thumb Harmonica says:

      This touches on what I was wondering. (While trying to get through 75 other posts) Do these rules really apply to this wonderful safe-haven of wretched souls? We come here to see half naked women on their couches, sick-ass links, wheels-off names, and the total gayness of Mike MR McDermott. This place actually seems to get smarted in the comments section rather than dumber in other sites. Here, we start out with African children feeding off their moms teets, followed up with an in-depth discussion on the economy. I’m not complaining. I like it here. As a matter of fact, I was originally going to write all of this as one long sentence and mispell everything I possibly could. I didn’t want my comment to get deleted though. :)

  58. Narcissistic's Anonymous Calling... says:

    Gordon Keith – Master of his own human race.

    If he only looked in the mirror every once in a while, he would see that he too is part of the problem.

    When you have a site celebrating soft porn, human defects and “hot” teachers that do the nasty with their students, you wonder why people say what they do. It’s just a precursor of what people are really thinking when it comes to “real” issues.

    Carry on Dr. Keith. You might save the world yet.

    Flame on!

    • Gordon Keith says:

      @ Nar Anon Call I am sure I am part of many problems, but I think you misperceive the intent of some of my postings. If I post a link to something that disturbs me, that doesn’t mean that I approve of the things in the story.

  59. Jason says:

    I like what you’re saying here Gordo. When did we becomes so callous and cruel as a society just to make ourselves feel good at someone else’s expense?
    It seems respect for those around us is long gone and everything is all about “me”.

    Tinkle….

  60. Boo Boo Riviera says:

    Thumb Harmonica, GorDONKEIth PUNCH, Human Internets, middletree, eRacer X, Doanwannapoopoo, Hotdog Neck, P1 Brandon, is Gordon mad at us?

    • Thumb Harmonica says:

      I think a massive group hug is needed. (Stay away from me Mike MR)

      • Boo Boo Riviera says:

        I’ll give Mike MR a hug on your behalf, Thumb Harmonica. I know you really want to express to him the equivalent of a hug deep down inside but are just too afraid to take that risk.

        (((Mike)))

    • eRacer X says:

      I don’t think he’s mad. Gritting his teeth while simultaneously rolling his eyes with his fists clinched in a white-knuckle ball could mean that he’s just constipated…
      So good luck Gordon…we’re all counting on you.

    • gorDONEKIth PUNCH says:

      I think some good old-fashioned makeup sex would make us all feel better. Boo, you can I can go first…

      • Boo Boo Riviera says:

        Well, that’s really up to Gordon, isn’t it? I can’t decide who he wants to have make up sex with…butt if you have to wait long, I know Mike is around here somewhere. He can help Gordon tow the load.

    • Human, Internets says:

      No. At least I hope not.

  61. mememe says:

    Blogs are the little guys way of having a voice in this insane world.
    We hear everyday from the upper crust(actors politicians) of our society speak when the media puts a microphone in their face or if they call a press conference. The media give those idiots a voice and we eat it up like it is candy. They are not any smarter then you and I, they just have a s$$T load of money or power.
    So, the little guy want to post a blog. You don’t have to read it but it gives you an opportunity to shout back instead of shouting at the TV.

  62. Ja says:

    I agree with Gordo. It’s gotten to a point where I can’t even stomach looking at the comments section in newsblogs. Most have nothing important to say and just want to fling feces. So tired of reading comments on how George Bush is the devil.

  63. E says:

    Just goes to show you….people are stupid and mean!
    should be avoided at all cost’s!

    everyone should just have a nice sandwich and relax a little!

    and have a kick ass summer!

    E

  64. Nata Lulu says:

    This is pretty ridiculous. The more you devolve into arguments and judgements about Gordo, and attacking his personal taste, the more you are proving Gordo’s point people!

  65. Don in Austin says:

    Not bad, 75 comments before someone brought up George Bush (positive or negative). Or are these comments moderated?

    Nicely done Gordon. I personally like the connectivity to a blog and the authors/editors that commenting can bring. The personal attacks are tiresome though. I understand why FB turned the comments off, but it would appear that they just put the commenters in ‘time out.’

  66. Tim Reaka says:

    :

    “Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”

    Crichton seemed to have his finger on the pulse of our society with that comment…

  67. Beth says:

    Anonymity translates into no accountability, whether the person posts to a blog (or is driving down 635, for that matter). By not being identified, they feel they can not be held accountable. Many people feel it is ok to exhibit poor behavior (lie, steal, abuse, break the law, etc) as long as they don’t get caught. Children learn more lessons from what they see than from what they’re told. It’s sad… people used to be so proud of having good moral character, now it is widely ridiculed.

  68. Junior's stinky bicycle seat says:

    Michael Jackson stole this guys moves?

  69. Thumb Harmonica says:

    By the way Gordon, how long did you stay up last night responding to these comments? I thought you old men were pretty much asleep by 9pm. ;)

    Stop the Twitter insanity. If I hear one more GD news station asking me to follow their talking heads on Twitter, I might just makeout with the business end of a .45

  70. Boo Boo Riviera says:

    Middletree,

    Did you see that Gordon sort of gave you a shout out by spoofing you on his column?

    • middletree says:

      Boo Boo, I would be honored if he did think of me when he put in that stuff about spelling, but there are so many spelling nitpickers out that that there is no way to know if he had someone in mind.

      Dang good column, though.

  71. Jeff says:

    Well your only partially right. The comments do make it more interesting. But the reasons for posting are way off.
    1. When you make serious comments, it is a chance to have your opinions be heard.
    2. Whe you make inflammatory comments, it is just plain fun to see if you can get a rise out of someone with a differing opinion. It has nothing to do with ego.
    3. it’s funny how you are slamming commentors, yet you website allows us to comment on your article. Too funny and hypocritical. LMAO.

  72. Dr Van Halen says:

    You pander and play to the rubes and the cave people. You’re a voice with no teeth for the toothed and voiceless.

    They listen to your radio show and read your newspaper column. In a sense they put a roof over your head, food on your table, and product in your luxurious hair.

    Here’s the best part. After you call out the rubes and the cave people for acting like rubes and cave people in comment sections, they then leave comments agreeing with you.

    You, sir, are a brilliant, brilliant man.

    • Craig says:

      Spoken like a man who hasn’t delved beyond the surface of the comments to any major newspaper. Go ahead. Pick one. I’ll wait. DMN. Chicago Trib. Boston Globe. Atlanta J-C. Dig deep. Have fun.

      Now, comparing even the one-word “babyarm” or catchphrase “VSBB” comments here to the vitriolic and poisonous pablum that gets spouted there is patently unfair and even disingenuous.

      Here, it’s all in good fun. There, it’s telling Ryan Moats to get over it and just count his lucky stars that that nice white police officer didn’t arrest him andh is whole family for having such a nice vehicle despite being of a particular race.

      Apples to oranges, man.

    • Craig says:

      Perfect example: go here — http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cop_handcuffs_reporter_for_covering_traffic_0422.html

      You have to get all the way to the third comment to see what I mean.

  73. A well-wisher says:

    D’s abrupt move had a petulant, condescending vibe – unintended probably but no less alienating. I hope the school marm approach doesn’t prove a costly lesson in the partially reflective allure of new media.

    Q1: How much fun is strict fun?

    O2: Would Groucho even want to join this club?

  74. Electro-acolyte says:

    Do you like this comment?

    That wasn’t the question.

  75. [...] like Quick humorist Gordon Keith continue to expound on D magazine’s decision to shut off (for now) the comments on the [...]

  76. eRacer X says:

    100th ??

    I comment on here because the little Ticket took the ‘Caption This’ weekly picture away from us back in the day.
    Ahh, I remember the billiard balls stuffed in her mouth like it was yesterday.

    Now we’ve had daily pics and links to view for quite some time here at GK.com, and it’s been fun.

    Let’s comtinue to support Gordon in this endeavor…and mainly, let’s support Texas. PowPow!

  77. I really like where WFAA has gone with their website. I use it for my news now. What I don’t like are the comments because it ties opinions (foolish ones) to an unbiased media.

  78. Wes Davis says:

    I’ve noticed this a lot as well, and it seems everytime I open up yahoo.com there is a story written with the pure intention of starting an arugument among the savage natives, who hide behind anonminity of the internet. To avert this problem… let the people argue, and just dont read these worthless comments.

  79. CurtisO says:

    Hey, the whole internet sucks. That’s why I never get on it. I don’t even have a computer!

    You couldn’t pay me enough to surf the web and read crap like this.

  80. Jake says:

    So true Gordon. I often post something with the opening line of how hate filled the blog is or how bad the blog is, then I make a point. I often go through other newspaper’s blogs and, while they are idiocrocized, they are not close to as bad as DMN. It’s the worst major newspaper blog in the land.

  81. V=SB squared says:

    I like this Gordon. It’s not even really censorship to keep comments off, because anyone can get their own blog trashing your blog if they really wanted to. Your theory has already been proven by firejoemorgan.com, my favorite sports blog. Only the other bloggers could comment. The quality of analysis and humor was high, so I read it, kind of like the ticket.

  82. Prime says:

    Everyone who reads this is an idiot!!! Okay, that was cool. What was your article about, anyways?

  83. Microbe powered FART machine.

    IDIOCRACY is taking hold in sciece –> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30372491/

    Is monkey Viagra next?

  84. oochidiwada says:

    Bring a butter knife to a squirt gun fight and act masculine.

  85. hobobobo says:

    We didn’t start the flame war…

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1907543

  86. Jim says:

    I couldn’t agree with you more.

  87. Mr. Keith, I could not have put that any better myself. As someone who frequents message boards, it amuses me to see some of the postings that people will put up(though I must admit that when I was younger and new to message boards, I was guilty of the idiocracy.. but at least I grew out of it!)

    The worst are internet wrestling fans, often known as “smart marks” or “smarks” for short. Yes, I know that’s a blanket statement and generalization, as there are a lot of internet wrestling fans who aren’t of the idiocracy type that drivel on and on about why Paul London deserves a World Championship reign or why John Cena has no in ring talent and is undeserving of being a World Champion. What they(the “smarks”) don’t realize is that wrestling, just like any other form of entertainment, is based on generating ratings and money. So what if Hulk Hogan or the Ultimate Warrior only performed three or four moves? They made money, got big reactions from the crowd, therefore they got the big main event pushes. I think Scott Steiner put it best when he said that the term “smart mark”(mark being wrestling speak for fan) is an oxymoron.

  88. Balls says:

    “…my typhus holds its retina. i love your underpants and goat illusion feces.”

    Wish I could take credit for that…

    SockoSockoSocko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9LcqijFD0

    Roger Miller ROCKS

    Peace Out

  89. Greggo's Cantelope Calf says:

    Good column. Case in point: that Diana Powe Biotch all over DMN and WFAA.com.

  90. miked3431 says:

    No funeral…

  91. pammylicious says:

    and here’s my opinion LOL… i must say that public opinions and comments are not suppose to be popular or accepted because nothing in life is ever one-sided or fair…viewpoints are suppose to be challenged when someone disagrees and it’s suppose to encourage conversations, which may lead to better ideas when solving problems. gordon, you also said that your bosses can turn off your comments if they don’t like what you says…well i believe that people can do the same if they don’t like someone else’s comments. i know my comments are not going to appeal to everyone and it’s not suppose to…they don’t have to read it. i think that if there’s a flood of comments (good or nasty) then that’s usually a good indicator that people are taking the time to respond because they are choosing to share their opinions rather than turning themselves off from engaging in mass media. we need to encourage feedback and conversations…not shut it off because it’s annoying to you or you don’t like people’s comments etc. close your eyes and cover your ears if you don’t like what people are saying but i’m hoping you will appreciate people taking the time to give you their feedback on what you said or wrote. thanks for listening to my opinion!

  92. I’m about to pass out…

    about to pass out….

    GONE!

  93. PunkDog says:

    Um, as someone who has never read the FB forum, I have an uninformed opinion – but, that won’t stop me from commenting.
    From what I have read on other blogs, like this one – http://eleventybillionthblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/in-memorium-frontburner-comments.html – there were plenty of intelligent voices on FB to sustain a good conversation. I mean, look, even on an unmoderated blog, you ought to be able to pick out the wheat from the chaff.
    But if someone really objects to the bile, well, there is a solution to that. I’ve been Slashdot since 1999 and they have figured out how to moderate a blog. They have used several moderation systems, and the one they have now seems to work. The idiots get booted off after a while, and the folks who know what they are talking about get to stay. And, that’s just one blog out of hundreds.
    Perhaps the problem is as simple as FB doesn’t know how to run a good blog – once they get a good system set up, perhaps they can turn on the comments again.
    I hope they do – seems an interesting blog –
    But without comments, I won’t go back there -

  94. sep699 says:

    Mr Gordon.

    Dead on here. Those of us with no talent post, then return to see if we caused any damage. The public really should not be allowed to post, for the most part we suck in the public forum.

    sep

  95. bob says:

    i love you

  96. OBAMAS WHITE MAMA says:

    Gordo…get some sleep. I think you have been up on “Meth” too long. Are you seeing the green martians yet?

  97. Blogdo says:

    Blogging, its what plants crave.

  98. Caleb says:

    Tiredest head ever

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